Sunday, February 25, 2018

PE: About Flash Video FLV and F4V Files Imports/Exports

INTRODUCTION

An Adobe Flash Video export category* exists in the sharing area of Premiere Elements 4 through 12/12.1, but is removed by Adobe from Premiere Elements 13/13.1 and later versions

On the import side, F4V file could be imported into Premiere Elements 8.0/8.01 and later. But, the import of the FLV file was never supported by Premiere Elements; however, a FLV file could be imported into Premiere Elements 3, 4, 7, and 8 when the XP/Vista/Windows 7 plugin "Moyea FLV Importer" was used in conjunction with 3, 4, 7, and 8. My last look at the Moyea FLV Importer was back in 2013 when I wrote the following in response to a Premiere Elements user's question on the topic:

The Moyea FLV Plugin to force Premiere Elements to import flv files is a popular question from time to time.

I know from personal experience that it does work for Premiere Elements 4, 7, and 8.0/8.0.1.

I have just downloaded the Moyea FLV Plugin from the site whose link I had previously posted in your thread in order to verify that it still works with 8.0/8.0.1 and flv importing. It still does. This was verified with a flv file, the Moyea FLV plugin, and Premiere Elements 4, 7, and 8.0/8.0.1.

Some tips, if necessary,
Once the plugin is installed, I found no desktop icon for it.
What happened is this...You open your Premiere Elements 8.0/8.0.1 project, you import your flv file with Get Media/Files and Folders.
At that point, you get a Moyea Software pop up with Order or Try. I hit Try.
At that point, the flv is imported, but look for it in "Project" when the Organize (blue) header is the selected. It did not pop up in the Organize/Media sector.

I have yet to remember or try versions later than 8.0/8.0.1 with this plugin. My recollection is that the plugin does not work with these later versions of Premiere Elements.
ISSUE

Today February 24, 2018, Moyea FLV plugin was found to continue to work in Premiere Elements 4, 7, and 8.0/8.0.1 for import of FLV into these particular versions on Windows 7 Professional SP1 64 bit, but a way was not found to import the FLV file into 9.0/9.0.1, 10, 11, 12.0/12.1, 13/13.1, 14.0/14.1, 15, or the latest version 2018.

It was decided to try to put together the Premiere Elements FLV/F4V files imports/exports opportunities in the overview to follow.

OVERVIEW

For Premiere Elements later than version 8, conversion of the FLV file to another Premiere Elements project supported format appears to be the workaround for importing the FLV file into a Premiere Elements project. Even though the F4V file appears to import into Premiere Elements 8.0/8.0.1 through 2018, an opportunity to export that F4V import as F4V appears to exist in only Premiere Elements 8.0/8.01, 9.0/9.0.1, 10, 11, and 12.0/12.1 Please refer Table 1 showing firsthand compiled data.

Table 1. Premiere Elements FLV/F4V Imports/Exports Summary

For Premiere Elements 4, 7, and 8.0/8.0.1, the Adobe Flash Video category drop down list has the following default presets:
NTSC Flash Video 7 256K** (320 x 240 @ 30 fps)
NTSC Flash Video 7 400K**(320 x 240 @ 30 fps)
NTSC Flash Video 8 400K** (320 x 240 @ 30 fps)
NTSC Flash Video 8 720K** (640 x 480 @ 30 fps)
For Premiere Elements 4, these presets yield only FLV exports; the preset's Advanced button/Format/Multiplexer does not offer a FLV or F4V option (shows only "no applicable properties"). For Premiere Elements 7 and 8.0/8.0.1, the opportunity for a F4V export in these versions takes the user to the Advanced button/Format tab/Multiplexing where there is the dot choice for FLV (the default) or F4V; however, no matter which FLV preset is selected of the 4 above, the user gets what appears to be a same 720 x 480 3:2 F4V file when only the Advanced button/Format/Multiplexing is set for F4V (file properties were based on MediaInfo and VLC Player Information for the file). The FLV export uses Video codec = Sorenson Spark (default) or On2 VP6, Audio codec = MPEG Layer III (MP3), and Multiplexing = FLV (Premiere Elements 7 and 8.0/8.0.1) or "no applicable properties" (Premiere Elements 4). For Premiere Elements 7 and 8.0/8.0.1, the F4V export uses Video codec = MainConcept H.264 Video, Audio codec = AAC (default), and Multiplexing = F4V.

Customization of the preset's Advanced button VIDEO tab and Audio tab settings appears to gain more variety for the file's export properties. In this regard, see more details below for the Premiere Elements 9.0/9.0.1 FLV/F4V situation.

The Adobe Flash Video category default presets for Premiere Elements 10, 11, and 12/12.1 each has choice for FLV or F4V file and are: 

F4V - HD 1080p Flash Video 9 and Higher
F4V - HD 720p Flash Video 9 and Higher
FLV - Web Large, NTSC Source Flash 8 and Higher (640 x 480 @ 29.97 fps)
FLV - Web Large, NTSC Widescreen Source Flash 8 and Higher (720 x 400 @ 29.97 fps)
FLV - Web Large, PAL Source Flash 8 and Higher 2\(784 x 576 @ 25)
FLV - Web Large, PAL Widescreen Source Flash 8 and Higher (720 x 400 @ 25 fps)
FLV - Web Medium, NTSC Source Flash 8 and Higher (368 x 272 @ 29.97 fps)
FLV - Web Medium, NTSC Widescreen Source Flash 8 and Higher (368 x 208 @ 29.97 fps)
FLV - Web Medium, PAL Source Flash 8 and Higher (368 x 272 @ 25 fps)
FLV - Web Medium, PAL Widescreen Source Flash 8 and Higher  (368 x 208 @ 25 fps)
The F4V export presets each uses MainConcept H.264 video codec and defaults to AAC+Version 2 audio codec. And, the FLV export presets each uses On2 VP6 video codec and MPEG Layer III (MP3) audio codec. The settings under the Advanced button of the preset are automatically set to those video codec and audio codec used in an FLV or F4V export; Format/Multiplexing area shows only FLV or F4V in the Multiplexing field depending on the preset selection. There was no way found to customize any one of the 8 FLV presets so that the export would be for F4V instead of FLV.

For Premiere Elements 9.0/9.0.1, the Adobe Flash Video category drop down list of default presets shows only the 8 FLV export presets which are present in the later versions of 10, 11, and 12/12.1. The opportunity for a F4V export here takes the user to the Advanced button Format tab/Multiplexing where there is the dot choice of  FLV (the default) or F4V. However, no matter which FLV preset is selected of the 8, the user gets what appears to be a same 720 x 480 3:2 F4V file when the only customization of the FLV preset is in the Advanced button/Format/Multiplexing set for F4V instead of FLV (file properties were based on MediaInfo and VLC Player Information).

Examples 1.
FLV - Web Large, NTSC Source Flash 8 and Higher (640 x 480 @ 29.97 fps)
Video codec = On2VP6, Audio codec = MPEG Layer III (MP3), Multiplexing = FLV
Display Resolution 4:3 640 x 480 4:3
if only Advanced button Format/Multiplexing changed to F4V, then
Video codec = MainConcept H.264 Video, Audio codec = AAC (default).
720 x 480 @ 29.97 fps (default)
Display Resolution 720 x 480 3:2

Example 2.
FLV - Web Large, NTSC Widescreen Source Flash 8 and Higher (720 x 400 @ 29.97 fps)
Video codec = On2VP6, Audio codec = MPEG Layer III (MP3), Multiplexing = FLV
Display Resolution 720 x 400 16:9
if only Advanced button Format/Multiplexing changed to F4V, then
Video codec = MainConcept H.264 Video, Audio codec = AAC (default).
720 x 480 @ 29.97 fps (default)
Display Resolution 720 x 480 3:2

Example 3
FLV - Web Medium, NTSC Source Flash 8 and Higher (368 x 272 @ 29.97 fps)
Video codec = On2VP6, Audio codec = MPEG Layer III (MP3), Multiplexing = FLV
Display Resolution 368 x 272 4:3
if only Advanced button Format/Multiplexing changed to F4V, then
Video codec = MainConcept H.264 Video, Audio codec = AAC (default).
Display Resolution 720 x 480 3:2

Example 4
FLV - Web Medium, NTSC Widescreen Source Flash 8 and Higher (368 x 208 @ 29.97 fps)
Video codec = On2VP6, Audio codec = MPEG Layer III (MP3), Multiplexing = FLV
Display Resolution 368 x 208 16:9
if only Advanced button Format/Multiplexing changed to F4V, then
Video codec = MainConcept H.264 Video, Audio codec = AAC (default).
Display Resolution 720 x 480 3:2

To force a 16:9 Display Aspect Ratio for F4V in Examples 2 and 4, one solution might be to customize the Advanced button/Video tab as well as the Format tab settings so that frame size for Example 2 F4V is 720 x 400 instead of 720 x 480 and so that frame size for Example 4 is 368 x 208 instead of 720 x 480. In this regard, it was possible to customize the FLV preset in Example 1 to force Premiere Elements 9.0/9.0.1 to export F4V file 1920 x 1080 29.97p, Display Aspect Ratio 16:9, Video codec = MainConcept H.264 Video, Audio codec = AAC (default), Profile = High, and Level = 5.1.

COMMENTARY***

Note: I do not work with Premiere Pro CC. From what I have read in an Adobe October 2017 document titled "Working with FLV and F4V files in Premiere Pro CC, Adobe Media Encoder CC, and After Effects CC", it also does not support FLV import, but supports the import of F4V. That document also states the Premiere Pro CC does not support FLV or F4V export. See HERE.

In this study, the VLC Media player (version 2.2.1) was used for viewing of FLV and F4V files.

As always, work in progress to check for accuracy and latest information.
See footnote *** which was added 02/27/2018 after publication of this blog post.

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*There is also a web DVD export category in the sharing area in only Premiere Elements 9.0/9.0.1, 10, 11, and 12/12.1. The web DVD export choice generates a folder with content that might be looked at as flash file with menus viewable on computer. See PRE_help (post 2 in the 2014 forum thread found HERE) for a 13/13.1 workaround when web DVD was removed by Adobe (workaround = burn to folder/VIDEO_TS .ifo/view VLC media player).
**K is assumed to represent bitrate in kbps units (kilobits per second).
***The above blog post addresses FLV and F4V imports/exports related to the Premiere Elements Editor. The Elements Organizer F4V import support was looked at briefly in only Premiere Elements 10, 11, 12/12.1, and 2018.  Results included:
  • Gray thumbnail with no Elements Organizer playback was outcome for attempted F4V import directly in the Elements Organizer from the computer internal hard drive save location. In contrast, this same F4V file could be played back from the computer internal hard drive save location using Firefox Quantum 58.0.2 64 bit, Internet Explorer 11, or VLC 2.2.1.
  • Typically the Premiere Elements import results in a copy of the import in the Elements Organizer. In the case of F4V, the copy of the import in the Elements Organizer was this same gray thumbnail with no playback in the Elements Organizer.
  • If this Elements Organizer gray thumbnail was right clicked, followed by selection of Edit with Premiere Elements Editor, the F4V file automatically imported into Premiere Elements with its content visible and playable in the Premiere Elements Editor. This type of behavior has been seen in the past for several Elements Organizers and some other file formats.
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