"Edit with Premiere Elements Editor"* output of a slideshow from an earlier version Elements Organizer to a later version of Premiere Elements installed on the same computer often results in the baffling message to buy and install Premiere Elements since it is not installed.
The issue goes to the concept of integrated sets of these standalone products**. And, when this integration exists, these programs share a common Elements Organizer/catalog, and there is a major perk in that the slideshow once in Premiere Elements in the .psess video format can be broken apart with the Break Apart Elements Organizer Slideshow command. The use of this command allows for significant additional edits of the slideshow prior to application of menus, followed by burn to. Examples of integrated sets include:
- Photoshop Elements 6/Premiere Elements 4
- Photoshop Elements 7/Premiere Elements 7
- Photoshop Elements 8/Premiere Elements 8.0/8.0.1
- Photoshop Elements 9/Premiere Elements 9.0/9.0.1
- Photoshop Elements 10/Premiere Elements 10
- Photoshop Elements 11/Premiere Elements 11
What to do if there is a Photoshop Elements 6 Elements Organizer 6 Slideshow Editor slideshow and only Premiere Elements 11 with the Elements Organizer 11 that comes with it? This issue could equally apply to various combinations of earlier version Elements Organizer and later version installed Premiere Elements with the Elements Organizer that comes with it.
The solution to getting this slideshow which is made in an earlier version Elements Organizer into an later version Premiere Elements is found in the concept of catalog conversion. Using the model of an Elements Organizer 6 slideshow, catalog conversion, and Premiere Elements 11, this slideshow can now be placed on the Premiere Elements Expert workspace Timeline and in addition have the Break Apart Elements Organizer Slideshow Editor command available to it there.
Determine what the name is for the Elements Organizer 6 catalog that contains the Slide Show Project of interest that is saved there. To do this, in the Elements Organizer 6, click on File Menu/Catalog to open to the Catalog Manager. In this example, the name of the catalog is PE4 Catalog and is designated (Current). Close Elements Organizer 6. Figure 1 represents the Elements Organizer 6 displaying the Slide Show Project involved as well as the opened Catalog Manager with its current catalog named PE4 catalog.
|Figure 1. Elements Organizer 6. PE4 Catalog (Current) Containing Slide Show Project For Editing In Elements Organizer 11 Slideshow Editor And/Or Premiere Elements 11 Workspace.|
Open Premiere Elements 11 Elements Organizer 11 by clicking on the Organizer tab at the bottom left of the Premiere Elements 11 Expert workspace. In the Elements Organizer 11 workspace, go to File Menu/Manage Catalogs. Clicking on Manage Catalog will bring up the Catalog Manager. In this example, the current catalog there is named PE11 Catalog. Click on the Convert button at the top right of the Catalog Manager dialog to bring up the Convert Catalog dialog. In the Convert Catalog dialog, select the PE4 Catalog and click "Convert" button at the bottom of this dialog. Subsequently a message "Catalog converted successfully." will appear. See Figure 2a and Figure 2b.
|Figure 2a. Elements Organizer 11. File Menu/Manage Catalogs/Catalog Manager/Convert/Convert Catalog Named PE4 Catalog.|
|Figure 2b. Elements Organizer 11. Successful Conversion Of PE4 Catalog.|
After clicking OK to the Conversion Complete dialog, the PE4 Catalog is now entered along with PE11 Catalog (Current) in the Elements Organizer 11 Catalog Manager dialog. See Figure 3a. The next step involves switching from the PE11 Catalog (Current) to the PE4 Catalog (Current) so that the slideshow in the PE4 Catalog can be opened in the Elements Organizer 11 and edited in the Elements Organizer 11 Slideshow Editor and/or in Premiere Elements 11 Expert workspace.
|Figure 3a. PE4 Catalog Now In Elements Organizer 11 Along With PE11 Catalog (Current).|
At this point, highlighting the PE4 Catalog and selecting Open will result in a message from the Elements Organizer, warning "Unable to perform the requested operation" and asking that the Premiere Elements Editor be closed in order to open the PE4 Catalog. See Figure 3b.
|Figure 3b. Elements Organizer 11. Request For Closing Premiere Elements 11 Editor So That The PE4 Catalog Open Operation Can Be Performed.|
Once Premiere Elements Editor is closed, OK clicked in the "Unable to perform the requested operation" dialog, and Open clicked in the Catalog Manager dialog with PE4 Catalog highlighted, Elements Organizer 11 opens displaying the thumbnails of the PE4 Catalog. And, when the Elements Organizer 11 thumbnail for the Slide Show Project is double clicked, the Elements Organizer 11 Slideshow Editor opens with slideshow ready for more edits (See Figure 4a) or output to Premiere Elements via the Slideshow Editor's Output option of Edit with Premiere Elements Editor.
|Figure 4a. Elements Organizer 11 Using PE4 Catalog (Current). Slide Show Project Being Edited in Elements Organizer 11 Slideshow Editor.|
|Figure 4a. PE4 Catalog (Current) In Elements Organizer 11 Catalog Manager.|
- After catalog conversion, additions or changes in PE4 Catalog back in Elements Organizer 6 are not reflected in PE4 Catalog in Elements Organizer 11 nor are additions or changes in PE4 Catalog in Elements Organizer 11 reflected in PE4 Catalog in Elements Organizer 6.
- After catalog conversion, using the pairing of Elements Organizer 6 and Elements Organizer 11, the PE4 Catalog (Current) name remained displayed with that name in both Elements Organizer 6 and Elements Organizer 11. However, if this had been done, for example, with Elements Organizer 9 (PE 9 Catalog (Current)) and Elements Organizer 11, then, after conversion, the PE9 Catalog (Current) name would be used in Elements Organizer 11, but the designation for it in Elements Organizer 9 would then become PE9 Catalog 1. See Figure 5.
|Figure 5. Elements Organizer 11 Message About PE9 Catalog Renaming After Conversion. PE9 Catalog to PE9 Catalog 1.|
- Catalog conversion can go from earlier Elements Organizer to later version of Elements Organizer, but cannot be done from later version of Elements Organizer to earlier version Elements Organizer.
- Premiere Elements 11 editor is supposed to be setting automatically the correct project preset for projects based on the first video drag/arrival to the Expert workspace Timeline. If it cannot make the match between one of its project presets and the properties of what it has just received, it defaults to 1080i, not 480i. This presents the issue of a 480i slideshow in a 1080i project. This issue can be addressed by setting the Premiere Elements 11 project preset manually before using the "Edit with Premiere Elements Editor" Output option of the Elements Organizer 11 Slideshow Editor. For the manual set of the Premiere Elements 11 project preset, use File Menu/New/Project. And, in the new project dialog, select NTSC or PAL DV Standard. Make sure to put a check mark next to "Force Selected Project Setting On This Project" before exiting the new project dialog. Then output the slideshow from the Elements Organizer 11 Slideshow Editor to Premiere Elements 11 workspace.
* This command is a non wmv output for the Elements Organizer Slideshow Editor slideshow. In Elements Organizer 6 and 7 this command is named Send to Premiere Elements; in Elements Organizer 8 and 9, it is named Edit with Premiere Elements; in Elements 10 and 11, it is named Edit with Premiere Elements Editor.
** The Elements Organizer slideshow around which this blog post revolves requires the Elements Organizer Slideshow Editor/Create/Slideshow feature. Elements Organizer 6 and 7 with this feature exist exclusively in Photoshop Elements 6 and 7; whereas, Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements 8, 9, 10, and 11 each contain the Elements Organizer 8, 9, 10, and 11 which are shared when the integrated set of Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements are installed on the same computer. Bottom line: for Premiere Elements 8, 9, 10, and 11, you do not need Photoshop Elements for this feature...just click on the Organizer tab in the Premiere Elements workspace to open the Elements Organizer/Create/Slideshow if you prefer to create the slideshow in the Elements Organizer Slideshow Editor instead of the Premiere Elements workspace.
This slideshow is a creation of the Elements Organizer and its catalog and resides there as a "Slide Show Project" saved to the Elements Organizer until it is outputted***. The Elements Organizer Slideshow Editor Output options have include:
- Save As a File Movie File (.wmv) - wmv or pdf saved to hard drive - Elements Organizer 4 through 11
- Burn to Disc - wmv file sent directly to Premiere Elements Disc Menus/Movie Menu section for burn to DVD - Elements Organizer 4 through 11
- Send to TV - wmv file saved for TV viewing using Windows XP Media Center Edition - Elements Organizer 4, 7, and 8 only.
- Send to Premiere Elements (also known as Edit with Premiere Elements or Edit with Premiere Elements Editor) - non wmv file sent directly to an integrated Premiere Elements Timeline where the Break Apart Slideshow command is available to it for significant additional slideshow edits.
September, 2011 Among Premiere Elements 10 Daily Discoveries
With the coming of Photoshop Elements 10 Premiere Elements 10, a major development appears to have occurred with regard to Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements integration and slideshows.
Early on in the history of these programs, the users had to have integrated sets to have the Output option Send to Premiere Elements (also known as, Edit with Premiere Elements) to get that slideshow to Premiere Elements, have an active Break Apart Slideshow command, and move on to produce the slideshow in DVD-VIDEO format on a DVD disc.
The following would represent "integrated sets" installed on the same computer:
Photoshop Elements 5/Premiere Elements 3
Photoshop Elements 6/Premiere Elements 4
Photoshop Elements 7/Premiere Elements 7
Photoshop Elements 8/Premiere Elements 8.0/8.0.1
Photoshop Elements 9/Premiere Elements 9.0/9.0.1
Photoshop Elements 10/Premiere Elements 10
But with the appearance of versions 8 and 9 on the scene, things changed allowing for some "mixing" of the programs, and I wrote back in September 2010:
|In spite of the fact (and for whatever reason Adobe persists in
saying what it does in its Read Me), you do not have to have Photoshop
Elements 9 installed with Premiere Elements 9 in order to use the
Photoshop Elements Slide Show Editor Output Option "Edit With Premiere
Elements", to get a seamless transfer from Photoshop Elements to
Premiere Elements, and to have the Premiere Elements Break Apart command
The doable combos for this are:
Photoshop Elements 6.0/Premiere Elements 9.0
Photoshop Elements 7.0/Premiere Elements 9.0
Photoshop Elements 8.0/Premiere Elements 9.0
Photoshop Elements 9.0/Premiere Elements 9.0
as was the case (shown over and over by myself and large number of others)
Photoshop Elements 6.0/Premiere Elements 8.0
Photoshop Elements 7.0/Premiere Elements 8.0
Photoshop Elements 8.0/Premiere Elements 8.0
Photoshop Elements 6.0/Premiere Elements 10
Photoshop Elements 7.0/Premiere Elements 10
Photoshop Elements 8.0/Premiere Elements 10
Photoshop Elements 9.0/Premiere Elements 10
By "not doable", I mean that, even if you have just Premiere Elements 10 installed with just Photoshop Elements 6.0, 7.0, 8.0, or 9.0, Photoshop Elements Organizer Slideshow Editor does not recognize version 10 already installed and acts as if you had no version of Premiere Elements installed on your computer along with Photoshop Elements 6.0, 7.0, 8.0, or 9.0.
Of course, you can still Output a wmv file from the Photoshop Elements Slideshow Editor and import that into Premiere Elements, using its Get Media/Files & Folders, but you do not have available the break apart slideshow command for further editing purposes....and so on.
September, 2012 Among the Premiere Elements 11 First Looks
7. Regarding Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements integration for slideshow (Windows), it looks like you will need the specific combo of Photoshop Elements 11 and Premiere Elements 11 for your Photoshop Elements Slideshow Editor Slideshow to Premiere Elements, using the Photoshop Elements Slideshow Editor command of Edit with Premiere Elements Editor.
***A previously unexplored output for the Elements Organizer Slideshow came up in discussion today. It involved selecting the Slide Show Project thumbnail in the Elements Organizer interface, going to the Elements Organizer Share header where Burn Video DVD/Blu-ray option is selected. This gets a psess (non wmv) slideshow into Premiere Elements targeted for Movie Menu and burn to. Contrast....if the slideshow was outputted instead from the Elements Organizer Slideshow Editor, not the Elements Organizer interface, with the Output option of Burn to Disc, the slideshow would also get into Premiere Elements targeted for Movie Menu and burn to, but as a wmv file with limited opportunity for additional significant edits in that form it it were decided more edits were needed at that stage.
Updated September 12, 2013 for Premiere Elements 11 automatic project preset setting issue. See OBSERVATIONS.